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Post by thatfella on 22nd September 2013, 9:01 pm

so I was looking through my old final fantasy save games and in one seven i believe a character named vivi said:"how do we know we exist how do we know anything exists" something like that more or less
ladies and gentlemen(okay just gentlemen no ladies come here...or do they)back to the point. philosiphate away
p.s:philosiphate is not a real word and should not be used under any circumsatnces

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Re: philosofically unnecessary

Post by -Shivam- on 23rd September 2013, 2:24 am

That's Vivi from Final Fantasy IX, that cutie always asks weird question. ^^

I can give a simple answer for this question-

@thatfella wrote:"how do we know we exist how do we know anything exists"
Everything you could possibly think of exists. in fact, everything exists. EVERYTHING. for instance, I just imagined a Dragon with nose like Usopp that is licking a lolipop. THIS existed, even if only in my mind.

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Re: philosofically unnecessary

Post by Rhino.Freak on 23rd September 2013, 4:50 am

existence is a mere illusion. In reality nothing exists.

its like, when you dig a hole in ground, the sand must HAVE to be somewhere, a pile of sand is somewhere.. and both that sums up to neither a hole, nor a pile.. its zero..

so in real, we all exist and don't exist at the same time

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Re: philosofically unnecessary

Post by thatfella on 23rd September 2013, 7:41 pm

but according to schrodinger if something is observed by a consience being it exists

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Post by Rhino.Freak on 24th September 2013, 5:15 am

yeah, but simultaneously, there's an ANTI- us, present somewhere, which's existence makes both our existence zero.. thats what the theory I saw somewhere and believe in.

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Re: philosofically unnecessary

Post by pack5642 on 24th September 2013, 9:09 am

but why do the anti us even matter, we are conscious of our own existence and we can act upon whatever we please, the anti us dont influence that. we are still tangible. as long as something affects anything it exists. that thought influenced you in a minor way, it existed. so what that fella said about being observed makes sense.looking at rhinos sand pile example, its true that they cancel out, but at that moment they are not and exist as separate entities influencing diff things, ex:i fell into the hole.

conclusion if you are too lazy to read it, if something influences anything, it pretty much exists whether it is tangible or not. how do we know we exist? well we know because we are influencing the things around, "causing things" and we see the effects. also the question answers it self in the first place, "we think so we are"(original quote by pack not written by descartes Razz)


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